tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post3661427332902986169..comments2024-03-24T14:25:25.667+01:00Comments on CARPE DIEM HAIKU KAI: Carpe Diem "Ask Jane ..." #6, Basho's Kanshicho-style (1683-1685)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-33852500301802393542014-11-19T04:36:18.613+01:002014-11-19T04:36:18.613+01:00I really enjoyed reading this post as.well as your...I really enjoyed reading this post as.well as your followup. And I look forward to hearing the response from Kerlen. It feels like this is becoming an even better haiku community, all the time. Thank you so much, Kristjaan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-80091231855569216302014-11-18T11:48:25.249+01:002014-11-18T11:48:25.249+01:00Thank you Becca for your kind words. It's real...Thank you Becca for your kind words. It's really a joy to work with Jane and she IS one of the most knowing poet according to the work of Basho. I do like the style "Kanshicho" and I have managed to find Mr. Kerlen and I have asked him also about Kanshicho. Until this moment he hasn't responded on my question, but as soon as he does I will bring it up here at Carpe Diem Haiku Kai.<br />By the way, in our GW-post of today I give an explanation of the word Kanshicho and I think that explanation will give some more insight on the subject.Chèvrefeuillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00848986700725789154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-29163312445064597192014-11-18T03:44:26.773+01:002014-11-18T03:44:26.773+01:00I enjoy reading "Ask Jane" and hear her ...I enjoy reading "Ask Jane" and hear her opinions/views she shares with us, as well as the discussion between the two of you. Poetry evolves over time, and each poet has their own style which makes the "typical" <i>their own</i> -- perhaps this is considered one of them ... Bottom line -- whether it truly originates for Basho or you, it opens the forum for fun and creativity. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-11608694078680562782014-11-17T16:48:52.948+01:002014-11-17T16:48:52.948+01:00Perhaps Basho was referring to a portion of Tokyo ...Perhaps Basho was referring to a portion of Tokyo called Kinshicho (note i spelling). Wiki gives the following info about it: "The area around Kinshicho station is divided into a largely shopping-oriented north, and a largely gambling- and love-hotel-oriented south" Surely, that tradition was there in his time and would have prompted deviations in social and haiku forms.... tsk tsk....<br />opie houstonhttps://www.facebook.com/pages/Opies-poetry-friends/530846836971195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-708873549769578892014-11-17T13:49:12.055+01:002014-11-17T13:49:12.055+01:00Thank you all for your response. I have found Henr...Thank you all for your response. I have found Henri Kerlen and have asked him to tell me something more about this Kanshicho-styled haiku-writing.Chèvrefeuillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00848986700725789154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-14549942558775898832014-11-17T06:40:39.259+01:002014-11-17T06:40:39.259+01:00Take heart, Chevrefeuille: the shadorma is anothe...Take heart, Chevrefeuille: the shadorma is another form with a questionable background. *Supposedly* the shadorma has a Spanish pedigree, but it's probably a hoax. BUT having said that, the form is still worth using and can have wonderful results. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-49220101556681955152014-11-16T22:28:31.029+01:002014-11-16T22:28:31.029+01:00You take the news like a true gentleman, Chev. ((h...You take the news like a true gentleman, Chev. ((hugs))Lollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16526692343815904632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-1129324308222622112014-11-16T18:06:09.662+01:002014-11-16T18:06:09.662+01:00The bottom line of the Kanshicho discussion is pr...The bottom line of the Kanshicho discussion is pretty well covered in Lesson 8 of Jane's book. I think the point to be made is learn all the rules you can and just write.....That's the joy of haiku, and the continued disagreements about it are just frustrating....I dislike frustrating.....Let's write.... My take on Lesson 8 are on my web page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Opies-poetry-friends/530846836971195 ......namaste all.....<br />opie houstonhttps://www.facebook.com/pages/Opies-poetry-friends/530846836971195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-18734071736660829252014-11-16T15:44:46.994+01:002014-11-16T15:44:46.994+01:00One of the things that might help is to do some r...One of the things that might help is to do some research on what Kanshicho means. If it means something like 'open' then it is not really an issue. The idea he went to China looks less sure though.<br />Thanks for the interesting research!PirateGunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02619759991219830629noreply@blogger.com