tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post3990587887008362843..comments2024-03-24T14:25:25.667+01:00Comments on CARPE DIEM HAIKU KAI: Carpe Diem Ghost Writer #29, "Pop culture references in haiku and senryu".Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-5690409969741866502014-10-15T23:59:07.627+02:002014-10-15T23:59:07.627+02:00Thanks Cheryl-Lynn :)
Mostly the background to th...Thanks Cheryl-Lynn :)<br /><br />Mostly the background to this was a bad case of, "what do you mean I shouldn't write about that?!?" For me that's like saying, "now, now... You shouldn't think about that." Which means it'll be the *first* thing I think about! That makes me more stubborn than smart ;)<br /><br />But... I'm glad you found the result useful and encouraging. :D Thanks--Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-64710041335286286312014-10-15T23:54:10.357+02:002014-10-15T23:54:10.357+02:00Thanks - this is like a hug :)Thanks - this is like a hug :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-74204146944081559332014-10-15T07:38:11.835+02:002014-10-15T07:38:11.835+02:00What an amazing post, Jen! Not only informative b...What an amazing post, Jen! Not only informative but the examples you show gives us a choice .Although I am trying to stay more closely to less mundane things for a haiku I was tempted to indulge in this for the experience. Truly your post is a great bookmark for writers. Bravo, kiddo, you sure are smart!! :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15686112030059549498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-57087223762260722112014-10-15T07:04:04.057+02:002014-10-15T07:04:04.057+02:00Very courageous of you Jen to share this. I found ...Very courageous of you Jen to share this. I found your blue denim senryu very moving,<br />Rallentandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-74202322938383911632014-10-15T06:49:39.276+02:002014-10-15T06:49:39.276+02:00Yes I agree there should be the extra dimension of...Yes I agree there should be the extra dimension of meaning.Rallentandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-46540461787487400742014-10-15T05:50:08.899+02:002014-10-15T05:50:08.899+02:00Thanks for the link! It looks really interesting ...Thanks for the link! It looks really interesting :D<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-27478800702033176332014-10-15T04:29:11.105+02:002014-10-15T04:29:11.105+02:00The FB group is a big one full of some really crea...The FB group is a big one full of some really creative writers. It's hosted by Kathabela Wilson and there is a daily tanka prompt. You have to "apply" to get in and all she wants is a reason why you want to be a part of the group. It's super easy to get in and I hope to see you and anyone else here who would like to join in. I see Opie and Sigrid there all the time. <br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/246214775465728/<br /><br />I hope that link works. Lollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16526692343815904632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-32214545397346959442014-10-15T03:57:57.606+02:002014-10-15T03:57:57.606+02:00Thank you so much for allowing me to be a ghost-wr...Thank you so much for allowing me to be a ghost-writer with this subject, Chevrefeuille. We were both taking a chance here -- and I am so grateful to you. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-76500486241476600502014-10-15T02:14:44.471+02:002014-10-15T02:14:44.471+02:00Hello Lolly --- I'm so glad you found the arti...Hello Lolly --- I'm so glad you found the article/prompt thoughtful -- and yes, I completely agree -- a top-notch haiku including a pop culture reference should probably have layers of meaning that appeal to people even if they're not familiar with the particular reference itself. The reference itself shouldn't be the whole point of the haiku and it shouldn't need explanation. The Mount Yoshino haiku (Basho, above) probably comes close to that. I can appreciate it even if I don't 100% "get it".<br /><br />But .... for me ... just saying "blue telephone booth" doesn't have any "oomph". The whole point of the TARDIS/train comparison is that the sounds are similar. To make it work I'd have to say "time machine landing" (or something similar). Without that, non-Whovians would be exiting at station A and Whovians would be exiting at station B. Not bad, perhaps, but not the intention. <br /><br />So I think pop culture references could be very tricky and would have to be handled very carefully -- but they can be done, as we saw with Kristjaan's Peter Pan reference.<br /><br />Glad the article made for interesting reading. <br />I'd love to know the name of the FB tanka group btw -- sounds interesting. :)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-51245733864035203042014-10-15T01:59:27.088+02:002014-10-15T01:59:27.088+02:00Hooray! A fellow Whovian! :D
I think part of t...Hooray! A fellow Whovian! :D<br /><br />I think part of the power and the appeal of the most recent Dr. Who series comes from Moffat's writing - he's not afraid to explore powerful issues and do it in a way that challenges traditional thinking. Jenny and Vastra could easily be caricatures - but they're not - they're powerfully drawn. <br /><br />And yes -- poetry is for people -- and we must follow where the muses lead us! :D<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-9415808884420058472014-10-15T01:54:31.558+02:002014-10-15T01:54:31.558+02:00Glad you liked it Becca :DGlad you liked it Becca :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-58805081080837862972014-10-15T01:53:57.847+02:002014-10-15T01:53:57.847+02:00Thanks Moonie :)
This was a bit scary to share ...Thanks Moonie :)<br /><br />This was a bit scary to share -- Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-57085451472024603682014-10-15T01:52:51.627+02:002014-10-15T01:52:51.627+02:00Thanks for the kind encouragement Hamish -- and I ...Thanks for the kind encouragement Hamish -- and I agree with your position on writing haiku simply to explore modern life. Even if there's a touch of the contemporary there should be an extra layer that reaches beyond the ordinary, imo. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-39387922874072111932014-10-14T22:36:09.754+02:002014-10-14T22:36:09.754+02:00Nice post, and I often use pop culture in haiku wh...Nice post, and I often use pop culture in haiku whether it's "wrong" or "right". Poetry is for the people. I have even written Whovian haiku on my blog before. I just watched that episode since I just found out you can buy the new episodes on Amazon.com, at least in the U.S. It was indeed a very moving speech.<br />http://haikuplatespecial.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/12-june-2014-haiku-tanrenga/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-56695032579810825562014-10-14T20:17:42.140+02:002014-10-14T20:17:42.140+02:00Jen -- excellent job! Thank you for the challenge...Jen -- excellent job! Thank you for the challenge!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-50599278203086094312014-10-14T15:52:54.646+02:002014-10-14T15:52:54.646+02:00Well written, Jen. I love your informative posts.
...Well written, Jen. I love your informative posts.<br /><br />My opinion on references and allusions is avoid explanations. <br /><br />Last night I wrote a tanka for a tanka group on Facebook. This group is international and comprised mostly of middle agers and seniors as most poetry groups are wont to be. <br /><br />Anyway, this particular tanka had a reference to a Pink Floyd song called "Comfortably Numb." I am sure many readers of that tanka didn't get the reference and that's okay. The poem doesn't require anyone to understand the reference because the poem still works for people who don't know Pink Floyd. <br /><br />Haiku, tanka etc that contain references to anything should still offer different layers of association so that if the reader doesn't know Dr Who or Pink Floyd the poem still offers alternative interpretations. One can write about Tardis without saying Tardis. A blue telephone booth would be more effective than saying "TARDIS!" And then writing a paragraph about what Tardis means. Anyone who is a fan of Dr Who will pick up the blue telephone booth reference and those who don't watch the show should still be able to visualize a blue telephone booth and find another layer of association. <br /><br />When a poet is compelled to give an explanation at the end then the poem isn't working and should be revised to offer greater meaning or maybe turned into a haibun. Otherwise the author dictates how a poem should be interpreted and takes away the readers freedom to free associate which is the antithesis of haiku in particular.<br /><br />In general, I don't have a problem with using pop culture in haiku, but rather the technique, I guess, used in incorporating it. <br /><br />A lovely article and much food for thought.<br /><br />Lollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16526692343815904632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-32288248607855059082014-10-14T15:03:17.810+02:002014-10-14T15:03:17.810+02:00Jen, thanks for your sharing a bit of yourself tha...Jen, thanks for your sharing a bit of yourself that we dont see in your haiku (normally). I believe there is a place for the everyday (our everyday) in our writing including haiku. The thing I love about haiku is it is never mundane.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13414513238308254080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8512327745848627452.post-88516680434875743152014-10-14T14:13:57.505+02:002014-10-14T14:13:57.505+02:00Brilliant academic post...fits so well ith Kristja...Brilliant academic post...fits so well ith Kristjaan's high class, professional posts. I think haiku can be stretched, and like what you are saying, but utterly dislike haiku stressing contempary life for the sake of it. Eg a haiku about a bus or such:<br />got up one morning<br />waited at the bes stop<br />bus did not come<br />this is different, though one should be a touch careful. I cannot imagine a haiku about the Beatles, for example.PirateGunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02619759991219830629noreply@blogger.com